Gregory Parkinson — Testimony and Sealed Exhibit Proceedings
1,342 linesDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Good afternoon, Mr. Parkinson.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Good afternoon, counselor.
MS. COMEY: What kind of work do you do right now?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I am a retired police officer that devotes some of my time to mentoring new people coming into the world of crime scene investigation.
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Parkinson, can I ask you to shift the microphone a little bit closer and speak directly into it if you can.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, your Honor.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, so would you briefly walk us through your law enforcement career before you were retired.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I joined the police force in 1966 as a police cadet, worked two years, got my associate of arts degree. I then, in 1968, became a reserve officer, left the department and went to Florida State University where I later received my baccalaureate degree. I then returned and became a full-time police officer on July 1st of 1970. I then worked until about 1974 or '75 when I was promoted to sergeant and then continued. And then about 1982, I was promoted to lieutenant. And I was the lieutenant of the crime scene investigation unit, which includes photographs, fingerprints, evidence handling, preparation marking, and also trial presentation. In 1989, I was selected to be sent to the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Quantico, Virginia, where I am a graduate of the national academy, and I continued and was inspired by my time at the academy to go back to college and continued with Nova South Eastern University where I received my master's degree. And then I continued to work in the crime scene unit right up until I retired on July 1st of the year 2000. I had the weekend off and went to work for the state attorney's office as an investigator and worked with them for just about three years. And then in 2003, I left the state attorney's office, 15th Judicial Circuit, Palm Beach County, and I was -- again, I had a weekend off and then on February -- I believe it was February 17th, I began full-time as the crime scene manager for the Town of Palm Beach Police Department and continued to work there until I reached my retirement age on May 2nd, 1917 --
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BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: You mean 2017?
GREGORY PARKINSON: 2017, yes.
MS. COMEY: In 2005, what was your title at the Palm Beach Police Department?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I was the crime scene manager and a sworn police officer.
MS. COMEY: Could you briefly explain what it is to be a crime scene manager?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The job that I had, the responsibilities, was to oversee the operation of the fingerprint bureau, with a fingerprint expert. It was also to oversee the photography and video work that was done, both in-car, in camera, and the still photos that were taken on various crime scenes, not necessarily ones I worked but ones that either patrol processed or people under me processed. And also I was in charge of the evidence unit, the evidence department. And we had regular inspections. We were an accredited agency and under CALEA. And we did follow the rules on that, and we were checked quite frequently on those rules.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, Mr. Parkinson. I'd like to direct your attention to October 20, 2005. What, if any, search did you participate in that day?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I participated in a search of a residence at 358 El Brillo which is a street in the town of Palm Beach.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, could we please pull up for the witness, the Court and the parties Government Exhibit 721.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, do you recognize this?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What is it?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a map --
JUDGE NATHAN: Sorry, Mr. Parkinson, I'm having a little difficulty hearing you. It's important to speak directly into the mic, please.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, ma'am.
JUDGE NATHAN: Maybe point it a little more towards you. Thank you. A. This is a map, an overview, or, as they say, an aerial view, looking down, on the island of Palm Beach and also the mainland of West Palm Beach.
MS. COMEY: Does this fairly and accurately depict the area surrounding 358 El Brillo Way in Palm Beach?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, it does.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX 721 is admitted you may publish it.
(Government's Exhibit 721 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, could you please publish this for the jury.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what is signified by the red dot in about the center right of the page?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Based on my observation here, it would appear that that would be the residence, 358 El Brillo.
MS. COMEY: Can you please just describe for us where Palm Beach is situated relative to West Palm Beach, please?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Palm Beach is east of West Palm Beach, and it is a long, thin, what is known as a barrier island.
MS. COMEY: What is in between Palm Beach and West Palm Beach?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The Intracoastal Waterway.
MS. COMEY: We can take that down. Thank you very much, Ms. Drescher.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, when you participated in a search of 358 El Brillo Way on October 20, 2005, was that the first time you had been to that address, or had you been there before?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I had been there one time before.
MS. COMEY: About what year was that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: 2003.
MS. COMEY: Can you briefly tell us why you were there?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I was notified at the morning briefing that there had been a report called in from that address of a theft of currency.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, Mr. Parkinson. Did you go to 358 El Brillo Way after hearing that report?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I did.
MS. COMEY: Did you meet the owner of the residence?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I did.
MS. COMEY: Who was that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Mr. Jeffrey Epstein.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up what's in evidence as Government Exhibit 112.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, do you recognize the person in this photograph?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, ma'am.
MS. COMEY: Who is that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Jeffrey Epstein.
MS. COMEY: We can take that down. Thank you, Ms. Drescher.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what part of the residence at 358 El Brillo Way did you personally observe when you were there in 2003?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I met with the officer out on the street. And we walked back along the west side of the house, in between the house and the pool, and we went to the southern edge of the house, and turned left. And there was a room called the garden room that we walked through. We felt that that may have been where the entry point was made. It was not a forced entry — apparently the door was unlocked — and the perpetrator --
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, I'm going to ask you not to go into the details of the investigation. Just tell us the portions of the residence that you personally observed, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: Could you state the date again?
MS. COMEY: I believe the search was October 20, 2005, and I believe what Mr. Parkinson is currently describing is in the year 2003.
MS. COMEY: Do I have that right, Mr. Parkinson?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Correct.
MS. COMEY: Okay. So just to clarify the record, the incident we're talking about now, when you first went to 358 El Brillo Way, was that about two years before the execution of the search warrant in 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Two years and 15 days.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, Mr. Parkinson. Could you continue describing for us what part of the residence you observed? I think you were mentioning the garden room.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes. There were three rooms that I went into. The garden room was where I entered — that was on the south side — passed through the garden room into what was known as the lake room, which was like an office and a library, and I also went into the kitchen area.
MS. COMEY: Turning your attention back to October 20, 2005, what authority did your team have to search 358 El Brillo Way that day?
GREGORY PARKINSON: We had a signed search warrant.
MS. COMEY: Based on your -- did you view, again, the garden room, the lake room and the kitchen of 358 El Brillo Way during the search on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I did.
MS. COMEY: Based on your observations, did the furnishings and the layout of those portions of the room appear unchanged? Just the furnishings and the layout.
GREGORY PARKINSON: The furnishings and the layout did appear to be the same, to me.
MS. COMEY: What differences, if any, did you notice?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It appeared as though there was about to be either renovations or what perhaps new decorations, like wall -- carpet samples or --
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, you say it appeared there were about to be those kinds of changes. What did you observe that gave you that impression?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Well, on one of the tables, a round table, there was blueprints laid out on top of it, and also on the floor were patches of cloth swatch that may have been either for curtains, because there were a lot of windows in this case, or perhaps flooring.
MS. COMEY: Stepping back, would you please describe how many structures there were on the property of 358 El Brillo Way on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Insofar as concrete structures, there were three. There was also, like, a Ted's Shed, or metal shed, behind the cabana. It's not really a structure; it's like a storage place.
MS. COMEY: Other than that storage place, could you describe what the three structures were on the property, please?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes. The first one that I walked into was the main house itself, two stories, facing north, the backyard was to the south. The second building that I went into, I really don't have a name for it. To me, it was a barracks. It's where the working staff stayed. I think there were three rooms there. It was a separate building disjoined from the main house. And then there was a third building that went -- in Florida, I don't know about up North, we call it a cabana, and it was at the south end of a swimming pool, and it was a gymnasium, basically.
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, could we just clarify if we're talking about 2003 or 2005 now, when he's describing the property?
JUDGE NATHAN: Sure.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: That description you just gave, Mr. Parkinson, was that how the property appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson — I just want to be clear — all of the rest of the questions I'm going to be asking you today will be about October 20, 2005. Okay?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, I'd like to show the witness, the parties, and the Court now Government Exhibits 201 through 222. I'd like to flip through those on the screen slowly for the witness.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, as you look at those, my question is just: Do you recognize them?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do recognize --
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, we're going to flip through 201 through 222, just look at them, and then at the end I'll ask you my question.
(Pause)
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, having now reviewed Government Exhibits 201 through 222, do you recognize them?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: These are photos of the exterior of the residence, and the --
MS. COMEY: Do these exhibits fairly and accurately depict different portions of the exterior of the property at 358 El Brillo Way, as it appeared on or about October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in evidence to the extent some of them aren't already.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you. GX 201 through 222 are admitted. And you may publish. (Government's Exhibits 201 through 222 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: I want to walk through a subset of these. Let's talk about Government Exhibit 202. Mr. Parkinson, can you tell us what we're looking at here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes. You are standing at the entrance to the driveway, which is located on the east side of the property, and it shows a garage, which is attached to the main house, and also to the left is the barracks.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now to Government Exhibit 206, please, Ms. Drescher.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a patio, you're standing south looking north, and I believe this leads into the kitchen.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now to Government Exhibit 209, please.
MS. COMEY: Can you tell us what we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes. This is -- you're standing east and looking west. The building on the right is actually the garden room, first floor. There's an edge of a building on the far left, which is the cabana.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now to Government Exhibit 212, please. A. You're standing south, looking somewhat northwest, and this is the pool area. The cabana would be behind me to the left, and the -- actually, part of the garden room and the lake room is the partial structure to the right of the three palm trees on the right.
MS. COMEY: What is the little bit of blue we see just above the pool, through the trees?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That is the Intracoastal Waterway.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now to Government Exhibit 214, please.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This shows the west side of the residence, both the lower floor and upper floor. The right, larger, windows, is the garden room. The left six sliding glass door windows is the lake room.
MS. COMEY: We can go to Government Exhibit 217, please.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: You're standing north, looking south across the pool, and also at the cabana.
MS. COMEY: Let's go to Government Exhibit 219, please.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is actually the very front of the house. You're standing to the northwest, looking to the southeast.
MS. COMEY: We can take this down. Thank you, Ms. Drescher.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what was your role in the search on October 20, 2005, at 358 El Brillo Way?
GREGORY PARKINSON: On that morning, my role was to record the reading of the search warrant, and also to do a very quick search of the residence to see if there was any other persons in there, for officer safety purposes, and then to supervise, if necessary, and also participate in evidence collection, should that be necessary.
MS. COMEY: Who else from the Palm Beach Police Department do you remember participating in the October 20, 2005, search?
GREGORY PARKINSON: There were a number of people. The main one was Detective Joseph Recarey, now deceased, Sergeant Mike Dawson was present.
MS. COMEY: Were there others whose names aren't coming to mind right now?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Detective Sandman was present.
MS. COMEY: And Mr. Parkinson, without going through the rest, were there other members of the Palm Beach Police Department there?
GREGORY PARKINSON: There were.
MS. COMEY: You mentioned doing a protective sweep of the house. During that sweep, who, if anyone, did you see in the house?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Joseph Recarey, myself, and I believe Sergeant Dawson, Captain Crowell. We went through to check all the rooms, make sure no one else was in there.
MS. COMEY: Was anyone else in the house?
MS. COMEY: Was there anyone at the house when your team arrived?
MS. COMEY: Who was that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The property manager, Mr. Janusz --
MS. COMEY: Do you remember his last name?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do. Banasiak.
MS. COMEY: After you completed the protective sweep and the reading of the search warrant, what did you do next?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I made a videotape, walking through the house, showing it as it was, in the condition it was, at the time prior to the search.
MS. COMEY: After you finished making that video prior to the search, what did your team do? What did your evidence collection team do after the video was finished?
GREGORY PARKINSON: There was a series of still photographs that were taken, and then the search took place, and then we had one of the team members that was actually marking down the evidence itself and where it was from -- or where it was found.
MS. COMEY: After all of the evidence was collected, did you do one final video at the end of the search?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: What was that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I walked through showing that the police department did not damage anything, and that the house was left in substantially the same condition.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I think now might be an appropriate time for a lunch break, if possible. We need to deal with some of the technical issues.
JUDGE NATHAN: We don't have it yet, so keep going. Maybe skip to something else.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, could we please pull up what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibit -- before we do that:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, at the end of the search on October 20, 2005, what did the Palm Beach Police Department team do with all of the evidence that had been seized?
GREGORY PARKINSON: We transported it back to headquarters.
MS. COMEY: Is that the Palm Beach Police Department's headquarters?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is.
MS. COMEY: To what other law enforcement agency, if any, was that evidence later transferred?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It was all transferred to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
MS. COMEY: About what year was that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I think around 2006.
MS. COMEY: Were you present for that evidence transfer?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I was.
MS. COMEY: What happened that day?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The FBI called and said they wanted to pick it up. We said we'd have it ready for them. They sent a vehicle over. And we formed a human chain, my office personnel did, and we transported each item of evidence to the agent that was on the scene, and we packed it in their vehicle. And they signed for it, and it was gone.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, I'd now like to pull up, please, what's marked for identification as Government Exhibit 264 through 268. Can we please flip through those just for the witness, the Court, and the parties.
MS. COMEY: And, Mr. Parkinson, my question for you will be: Do you recognize these?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: One more. Having now seen all of these, do you recognize them?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I do.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: These are areas of the kitchen.
MS. COMEY: Are these fair and accurate depictions of the kitchen inside 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these exhibits in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX 264 through 268 are admitted. (Government's Exhibits 264 through 268 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please -- excuse me. May I publish, your Honor?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please publish Government Exhibit 264.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: You are standing in the northeast corner of the kitchen, looking towards the southwest. There's an island with books, stove and other kitchen appliances on top.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now, please, to Government Exhibit 265. Is this the same room from a different angle?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is. You're more closely aligned with being at the east, looking to the west.
MS. COMEY: Let's go to 266, please.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is part of the kitchen, as well, and you are aligned standing to the southeast, looking to the northwest.
MS. COMEY: Let's go to 267, please.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a work area for notes and, apparently, cookbooks, and you are standing somewhat to the north, looking to the south.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, could you please zoom in on the center right part of this photograph.
MS. COMEY: Would you please read aloud the words we see here, Mr. Parkinson?
GREGORY PARKINSON: "Jeffrey E. Epstein."
MS. COMEY: We can take that down. Thank you.
MS. COMEY: I'd like to now show you what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibits 223 through 241.
JUDGE NATHAN: Actually, Ms. Comey, we do have the lunch now, so we can break.
MS. COMEY: That would be much appreciated, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Members of the jury, enjoy your lunch. We'll see you in about 45 minutes to an hour. Thank you.
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(Jury not present)
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Parkinson, you may exit for the lunch break. Thank you.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Thank you, your Honor.
(Witness temporarily excused)
JUDGE NATHAN: Everyone may be seated. Are there matters to take up, counsel, before the break?
MS. COMEY: Not before the break, your Honor. I think we'll confer with defense counsel with the limiting instruction, and we'll deal with the technical preparations during the lunch break, and then raise any issues with your Honor closer to the restart.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay, yes, you'll confer on the limiting instruction and when it will be given?
MS. COMEY: Yes, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: And let me know if you have disagreement as to any of that. And you will work out the tech. Mr. Everdell?
MR. EVERDELL: I think we can confer, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Anything to take up?
MR. EVERDELL: No.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you. So we'll resume in 45. Thank you.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.
(Luncheon recess) AFTERNOON SESSION AFTERNOON SESSION 1:40 PM
(Trial resumed)
(In open court; jury not present)
JUDGE NATHAN: Matters to take up?
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, we've conferred with the government on the matter of the limiting instruction, and, well, I think this is a case where the cure is worse than the disease. So, although we maintain our objection, I think a limiting instruction wouldn't be productive, from our standpoint, as just highlighted, so we are going to withdraw our request for the limiting instruction.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. For the record, what was the proposed limiting instruction?
MS. COMEY: As to the video, we proposed: "The video you are watching contains a depiction of a very young minor. You should not infer from this photo that Mr. Epstein had a sexual attraction to minors as young as the girl depicted in that photo. You also may not consider this evidence as any kind of reflection on Ms. Maxwell's character or propensity to commit any of the crimes charged in the indictment. However, to the extent you conclude that the evidence is relevant to the issues before you, you can consider it." And the limiting instruction as to Government Exhibit 250, the photo, was as follows: "You are about to see a photo containing a depiction of a very young minor. You should not infer from this photo that Mr. Epstein had a sexual attraction to minors as young as the girl depicted in this photo. You also may not consider this evidence as any kind of reflection on Ms. Maxwell's character or propensity to commit any of the crimes charged in the indictment. However, to the extent you conclude that the evidence is relevant to the issues before you, you can consider it."
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. And the defense's request is not to give it because you don't want to highlight the photo that otherwise might be just in passing and so, rather, your request is not to give the instruction?
MR. EVERDELL: That's correct, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. What else?
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I just wanted to note that, after conferring, the parties have agreed to offer a redacted version of Government Exhibit 296, which is the video. The portion we've agreed to redact is a portion at the beginning where Detective Recarey reads aloud the entire search warrant for several minutes. So we have redacted that from the version that we will ask be accepted into evidence and that we will actually play for the jury.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. What else?
MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, there are two witnesses that are slated to appear later this afternoon, if we get to them. Those would be Kimberly Meder and Stephen Flatley. There are some issues related to 3500 material and opinions that were disclosed after midnight last night to us. I don't think we need to raise them now because I'm not entirely clear we will even reach those witnesses, but if we are moving quickly this afternoon, I would ask for time before your Honor, at the break perhaps, the mid-afternoon break, to address some of those concerns we have.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MS. MENNINGER: Thank you.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you. So we'll get to Parkinson. Will we get to Maguire before the break?
MS. COMEY: I doubt it, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. So we can take up the objected-to 900 series then? Is that the right witness?
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. If there's nothing --
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I should note that with respect to the video, we have turned the jurors' screens in the jury box — and I thank the courthouse staff and your Honor's deputy for their help in accomplishing this — but we will just need to ask the members of the jury to move their chairs over so that they can see the screens, the way that they are angled.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. I'll note, as they come in, that we've adjusted the screens so that the gallery can't see something we're going to show them; they should adjust their seats so they can see. I know there's a concern that someone walking in may be able to see them. I'm not going to lock the courtroom down for half an hour. So if you have a different proposal, I'm happy to hear it.
MS. COMEY: No, your Honor, that's not our request.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. So you're comfortable with how we're proceeding? It protects the privacy of the individuals who are depicted in the video?
MS. COMEY: I am, your Honor. And I thank your Honor's courthouse staff and chambers' staff and defense counsel for their assistance in preparing for this video to be played.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Thank you. We'll bring in the jury.
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, just quickly, before cross, we'll deliver the binder to the witness --
JUDGE NATHAN: Sorry. You can line up the jury.
MR. EVERDELL: Just a choreography question, your Honor: Similar to before, before cross begins, we will hand up a binder to the witness on the stand?
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay, yes, that's fine. And you will direct the government -- do you have an extra copy of the binder so I can have it?
MR. EVERDELL: We've been relying on the screens for your Honor, but if you like, we can -- well, I don't have one right now but I can probably make one pretty quickly.
JUDGE NATHAN: We'll do the screens. I prefer paper.
MR. EVERDELL: There are not that many for this witness, but why don't we give you a paper copy.
JUDGE NATHAN: Fine. Ms. Comey, you confirmed with courthouse staff that when you're showing the video, the screens in the overflow courtrooms will also not show the video, correct?
MS. COMEY: Yes, your Honor. We checked and played the video in here, in this courtroom, and checked to see that it will not play in the overflow courtroom, and everything seemed to be working the way we want it to.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Thank you. I'll just make sure that, once the video is completed, that the screens are returned so that members of the public can see the published exhibits?
MS. COMEY: Absolutely, your Honor. I think that there may be a couple minutes' pause while we turn things back on and adjust the courtroom, but, yes, that is the plan.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you. We should bring the witness back.
MS. COMEY: Yes, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may come forward, Mr. Parkinson. Thank you.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Thank you, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may take your seat and remove your mask while we wait for the jury. Thank you.
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(Jury present)
JUDGE NATHAN: I hope everyone had a nice lunch. Thank you, members of the jury. Ms. Comey, you may resume your direct examination of Mr. Parkinson. And I do remind you, Mr. Parkinson, that you are under oath.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Thank you, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Go ahead.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. Before I resume, there was the matter of instructing certain jurors to move --
JUDGE NATHAN: Oh, yes. Members of the jury, there will be a video shown that we are not showing to the gallery, so your screens were adjusted a little. You can keep your screens where they are but adjust your chair. So return your screens if you moved them and adjust your chair so that you can see your screens, if you would. That's great. That will count as our exercise for the day. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Go ahead, Ms. Comey.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.
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MS. COMEY: Good afternoon, Mr. Parkinson.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Good afternoon, ma'am.
MS. COMEY: I believe in front of you is an item marked for identification as Government Exhibit 296. Do you see that? In front of you to the left.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Oh. Yes.
MS. COMEY: Do you see that disk right there?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: Do you recognize that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What is it?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is a compact disk — I'm going to call it a CD — which has Government Exhibit label of 296.
MS. COMEY: Did you review the contents of that CD before coming to testify here today?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I did.
MS. COMEY: What is on that CD?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a CD of the reading of the search warrant, and then the search of the building for other live persons, and then the follow-up conclusion of the search process, showing there was no damage to the residence.
MS. COMEY: In other words, does it contain your walk-through video of the October 20, 2005, search of 358 El Brillo Way?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Does the video on that CD fairly and accurately depict the interior and exterior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers a redacted version of this exhibit in evidence, marked as 296R.
MR. EVERDELL: With the agreed-upon redactions, your Honor, no objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you GX 296R is admitted.
(Government's Exhibit 296R received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I would ask that this exhibit be received under seal, both to protect witnesses who have been permitted to testify under pseudonym and to protect the privacy of third parties who are depicted in this exhibit.
JUDGE NATHAN: Without objection, Mr. Everdell?
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: It is admitted under seal for the reasons you've indicated. Thank you.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. May we publish just to the jury and the parties and the Court?
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, I'm going to ask you to please play Government Exhibit 296, and I'll ask you to play it for 30 seconds and then pause.
MS. COMEY: Pausing at 30 seconds, Mr. Parkinson, what part of the search are we seeing on this video?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the -- our ground floor, coming from the south to the north, and going through the central lobby area to where the stairwell is leading to the second floor.
MS. COMEY: What was happening at this point in the video?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This was the initial search for any other persons that may have been in the residence, officer safety.
MS. COMEY: Thank you.
MR. EVERDELL: We can play it for another about eight seconds, Ms. Drescher. Pause it here, please, Ms. Drescher, at 37 seconds.
MS. COMEY: What is being shown here, Mr. Parkinson?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the first and formal reading of the contents of the search warrant to the property manager.
MS. COMEY: Is that the property manager whose name you told us earlier?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes. Mr. Janusz Banasiak.
MS. COMEY: For the rest of this video, I think it might be useful to refer to what is in evidence as Government Exhibit 298, your Honor. With your permission, I'd ask that the jurors please be permitted to take out their binders and look at Government Exhibit 298.
JUDGE NATHAN: Just a moment. GX 298 has been admitted?
MS. COMEY: Yes.
JUDGE NATHAN: Without objection, Mr. Everdell?
MR. EVERDELL: Without objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. Jurors, you may pick up your binders and look at GX 298.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. We can play it, please, Ms. Drescher.
(Pause)
MS. COMEY: Now, as this is playing, at 46 seconds and continuing, Mr. Parkinson, what part of the search is this video depicting?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is on the east side of the residence, ground floor, approaching from west to east.
MS. COMEY: Is this now the walk-through video that you talked about earlier?
MS. COMEY: Now, at 1 minute and 15 seconds, what part of the property are we entering?
GREGORY PARKINSON: We are in the garage -- the three-car garage located on the first floor, east side of the dwelling.
MS. COMEY: And now we're at one minute and 55 seconds. Mr. Parkinson, what part of the main residence are we in now?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The ground floor, the south side, and it's relatively in the middle of the dwelling.
MS. COMEY: Which room are we in?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The kitchen.
MS. COMEY: That yellow room we see straight ahead, what room is that? And this is at two minutes and 54 seconds.
GREGORY PARKINSON: The formal dining room.
MS. COMEY: And now at three minutes and six seconds, what room are we walking into?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That is the dining room. Front door.
MS. COMEY: Now, at three minutes and 44 seconds, what room are we walking into?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is known as the garden room.
MS. COMEY: What are we looking at at four minutes and 33 seconds?
GREGORY PARKINSON: You're looking west, standing east, looking at the pool and the Intracoastal Waterway.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here at 5:05?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That was a picture of Pope John Paul with Jeffrey Epstein.
MS. COMEY: What room are we walking into now?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This room is known as the lake room because of its view to the lake to the west.
MS. COMEY: What do we see in the top right at five minutes and 43 seconds?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That is a picture of Fidel Castro with Jeffrey Epstein.
JUDGE NATHAN: Can you pause for a moment.
MS. COMEY: Please pause, Ms. Drescher, at 6:20.
(Pause)
JUDGE NATHAN: Apparently, the video is visible on Ms. Drescher's laptop, and I can see folks looking at it.
MS. COMEY: The way I'll proceed, your Honor, is I won't ask Ms. Drescher to pause, I'll ask my questions as the video plays, and I will ask Ms. Drescher to please just close down her laptop and press play. All right. We can resume. Thank you. May we pause again, Ms. Drescher, please, at six minutes and 31 seconds.
MS. STERNHEIM: Judge, would it be all right if I just move so I can watch the screen?
JUDGE NATHAN: Of course. I thought you weren't going to pause. You are --
MS. COMEY: I apologize, your Honor. I paused because I saw Ms. Sternheim raising her hand to you, and I wanted her to be able to speak.
MS. STERNHEIM: Sorry.
JUDGE NATHAN: No, no, that's fine. I want you to be able to see.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, can we please play it at six minutes and 31 seconds. Thank you.
MS. COMEY: Now, at seven minutes and eight seconds, what do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Architectural drawings.
MS. COMEY: Now, at seven minutes and 20 seconds, what are we seeing on the floor?
GREGORY PARKINSON: These are various swatches of material.
MS. COMEY: Those items we just discussed, are those the items that led you to believe that there might be some renovations coming up in this property?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Now, at seven minutes and 49 seconds --
MS. COMEY: Excuse me, withdrawn.
MS. COMEY: At eight minutes and five seconds, what room are we in?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the garden room. You're standing west, looking east.
MS. COMEY: Now, eight minutes and 17 seconds, what room are we in?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the lake room.
MS. COMEY: Now, eight minutes and 25 seconds, what room are we entering now?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the foyer of the front door.
MS. COMEY: At nine minutes and 19 seconds, what room are we walking into?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the bathroom.
JUDGE NATHAN: I need you to pause again.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pause.
JUDGE NATHAN: They want to adjust the monitor at your lectern.
MS. COMEY: Of course. Thank you, your Honor.
(Pause)
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, then I think I'm going to shift over here.
JUDGE NATHAN: Of course. Thank you, Mr. Everdell.
(Continued on next page)
MS. COMEY: May I resume?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
MS. COMEY: Playing at 9:29, Ms. Drescher.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: At 9:52, what room are we walking into?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is on the north side, you're standing to the south, and that is a computer room. This is the wall with the keys that is up against the east side of the building, which would be the garage right behind it.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, have you reviewed diagrams of this property?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I have.
MS. COMEY: On that diagram, is this room we're in right now referred to as the staff room?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, it is.
MS. COMEY: At 11:42, what are we seeing here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: You are looking from east -- from west to east, and this is an elevator.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I won't pause it, but at this point I think it would be useful for the jurors to turn one tab over to what's already in evidence as Government Exhibit 297.
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Everdell, without objection?
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: The jurors may look at GX297.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what floor of the house are we on now?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the second floor.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here at 12:40?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a stairwell that is on the east side of the house, first floor to second, second floor to first. It abuts the elevator.
MS. COMEY: Now at 18:50, are we coming back out to the top of the staircase in the second floor?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: What are we facing here at 19:09?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a room which is a bit like a hallway which leads to the master bedroom. You're standing east looking west.
MS. COMEY: What room are we walking into now at 19:50?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The master bedroom.
MS. COMEY: What does that door lead to at 20:06?
GREGORY PARKINSON: One of the two master baths.
MS. COMEY: What room are we walking into now at 20:29?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The north side second floor master bath.
MS. COMEY: Now what room are we walking back into now at 21:10?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Master bedroom walking east to west.
MS. COMEY: What room have we jumped back to now at 21:20?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the north master bathroom.
MS. COMEY: At 21:35, what room are we in?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The master bedroom. We're turning to the southwest.
MS. COMEY: What do we see through that doorway at 22:06?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the south-side second-floor master bedroom, master shower.
MS. COMEY: Now at 24:15, what part of the property are we on now?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the west side, southwest area, and this is the cabana for the pool.
MS. COMEY: Now at 28:01, where are we looking?
GREGORY PARKINSON: We're looking north from the south. This is actually out north and you're looking west-southwest here.
MS. COMEY: At 28:52, what part of the property are we looking at?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the cabana. It's on the west side.
MS. COMEY: At 29:08, what is that pink structure to the right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That is the storage building.
MS. COMEY: Now at 30:06, what part of the property are we on now?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I believe this is the -- what we call the barracks.
MS. COMEY: Now at 39:14, are we walking back out of the barracks?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Is that the conclusion of your walk-through video?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: At 19:31, this is the beginning of the exit video?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: We can stop there and take that down. That will conclude our watching of this particular video.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. We can resume the public access to the evidence monitors?
MS. COMEY: Yes. Thank you, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Members of the jury, if you want to readjust your monitors, make sure you can see, you're welcome to do so.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I would note, I am going to ask for permission for the jurors to --
JUDGE NATHAN: Can't hear you.
MS. COMEY: I am going to ask for the permission for the jurors to look in their binders again during this next piece of testimony. So if they don't want to put them away, they might want to keep them out.
JUDGE NATHAN: Their choice. You can proceed, Ms. Comey.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. I think we're just checking to make sure the defense monitors are up and running. Thank you, your Honor.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, I believe there is a binder at your podium. Do you have that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: I'd like to talk about a few exhibits, please. Starting with Government Exhibits 223, 224, and 225, I'd ask that just the witness turn to those.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I'm on 223.
MS. COMEY: Then please flip to 224 and next to 225, and let me know when you've done that, please.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I have done it.
MS. COMEY: Do you recognize those?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Photographs.
MS. COMEY: Are these fair and accurate depictions of a portion of the garden room in 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20th, 2005?
MR. EVERDELL: Objection. Leading.
JUDGE NATHAN: Sustained.
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
JUDGE NATHAN: Sustained. Jury will disregard the answer. Rephrase the question.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what are these three exhibits?
GREGORY PARKINSON: These are photographs that were in the garden room.
MS. COMEY: Of what property?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The 358 Brillo.
MS. COMEY: Are these fair and accurate depictions of that portion of that property as they appeared on October 20th, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these exhibits in evidence under seal to protect the privacy of third parties depicted therein.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: Can you give me the exhibit numbers again?
MS. COMEY: 223, 224, and 225, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX223, 224, 225 are admitted under seal for the reasons indicated. (Government's Exhibits 223, 224, 225 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. I you would now ask for permission to have the jurors turn to Government Exhibit 223.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Mr. Everdell.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Turn to GX223 in your binder.
MS. COMEY: I'm going to pause for a moment for the jurors to view that. Your Honor, I'd now ask for permission for the jurors to turn to Government Exhibit 224.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Mr. Everdell? Without objection, you may look at 224.
MS. COMEY: Now I would ask for permission for jurors to turn to Exhibit 225, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Everdell, without objection, jurors may look at 225?
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Please, jurors, GX225. Okay.
MS. COMEY: Thank you. I will be referring back to the binder, so I ask the jurors be permitted to keep them, if they wish.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, I'm now going to show you exhibits marked for identification as Government Exhibits 226 through 241 --
JUDGE NATHAN: Actually, for simplicity, let's have the jurors put the binders under the chair until they're directed to look at something in particular.
MS. COMEY: Okay, your Honor. Thank you.
MS. COMEY: Do you have exhibits 226 through 241 in the binder in front of you, Mr. Parkinson?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: And have you reviewed those, 226 through 241?
GREGORY PARKINSON: No, I was only taking inventory.
MS. COMEY: Would you please review all of those and then let us know when you've finished.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I'm ready.
MS. COMEY: Do you recognize those?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: These are photographs of the interior of the house, the ground floor, mostly in the garden room and lake room, partially in the hallway to the center part of the house looking from east to west into the lake room.
MS. COMEY: Do these exhibits fairly and accurately depict portions of the interior of the main house at 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20th, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: They do.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these into evidence and ask that 234 be under seal both with your Honor's order about witnesses testifying under pseudonym and to protect the privacy of third parties. And also as to Government Exhibit 241, I'd ask that it be under seal to protect the privacy of third parties.
JUDGE NATHAN: So give me the range again, please.
MS. COMEY: I'm offering Government Exhibits 226 through 241, and I'm asking that 234 and 241 be accepted under seal.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX226 through 241 are admitted. Exhibit 234 and 241 are admitted under seal consistent with my ruling regarding witnesses testifying under pseudonym. (Government's Exhibits 226 to 241 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. May we publish the unsealed exhibits?
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes.
MS. COMEY: Thank you. Ms. Drescher, I'd ask to pull up now Government Exhibit 226.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, can you tell us what this is?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, this is in the garden room. You're standing north and looking to the south.
MS. COMEY: Can we go now, please, Ms. Drescher, to 227.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This, again, is in the lake room and you're standing on the east side looking towards the west.
MS. COMEY: I'd like to jump now please, Ms. Drescher, to Government Exhibit 235.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: You are standing in the entrance to the foyer, the front door, which is partially opened, and the stairwell, and you're looking east standing on the first floor.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, could we please pull up Government Exhibit 236.
MS. COMEY: What is this?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I believe this is a view looking from the north to the south.
MS. COMEY: I'd like to now go, please, to Government Exhibit 228, please.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a view from the garden room standing at the northeast -- southeast, rather, looking towards the northwest. The room that you're actually looking in is called the lake room.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now to Government Exhibit 231, please.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is standing on the first floor and looking to the -- or down a hallway, and I believe you're looking to the northwest.
JUDGE NATHAN: I'm sorry. I can't hear you, Mr. Parkinson. A. Looking, I believe, to the northwest.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I would now like to ask permission, while we keep this up on the screen, to have the jurors turn in their binders to Government Exhibit 255.
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Everdell, 255 is admitted already?
MR. EVERDELL: It is not, I believe.
JUDGE NATHAN: Please close your binders.
MS. COMEY: I apologize, your Honor. I apologize, your Honor. I wanted to have the witness look at 255.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. The witness may look at 255. A. I have examined it.
MS. COMEY: Do you recognize that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What is that?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is in the -- I believe it's the lake room looking towards --
JUDGE NATHAN: Could you speak into the microphone, please. A. I believe it's in the lake room and it's looking towards the garden room with a series of photos.
MS. COMEY: Does this fairly and accurately depict a portion of the interior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20th, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this under seal to protect the privacy of third parties.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX255 is admitted under seal for the reasons stated.
(Government's Exhibit 255 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Now, your Honor, I'd like to ask the jurors to --
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Everdell, without objection?
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: Jurors, please take out your binders and take a look at GX255.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. We can set those binders aside and I'll now ask Ms. Drescher to pull up Government Exhibit 229.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: What are we seeing here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a view on the first floor, the west side of the house standing south looking to the north of the lake room.
MS. COMEY: And I'd like to go now please to Government Exhibit 230.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the same room and we are looking to the -- standing to the south, looking to the north slightly northeast.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, while this is up on the screen, I'd like you to please look in your binder at what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 243 through Government Exhibit 250.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I have reviewed them.
MS. COMEY: Do you recognize these?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: A series of photographs of photographs.
MS. COMEY: From where?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This was in the lake room.
MS. COMEY: Of 358 El Brillo Way?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Do these photographs fairly and accurately depict a portion of the interior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20th, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in evidence under seal consistent with your Honor's ruling about witnesses testifying under pseudonyms and to protect third parties.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. Give me the range again.
MS. COMEY: 243 through 250.
JUDGE NATHAN: Two-four-three through two-five-zero.
MS. COMEY: Yes, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Are admitted under seal for the reasons indicated. (Government's Exhibits 243 to 250 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. May we please ask the jurors to turn in their binders to Government Exhibit 243.
JUDGE NATHAN: Without objection, Mr. Everdell?
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Jurors you may take out your binders, GX243, please.
MS. COMEY: I'd ask the jurors to please now turn to Government Exhibit 244.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. You may look at 244.
MS. COMEY: I ask now that the jurors be permitted to turn to Government Exhibit 245.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. You may look at GX245.
MS. COMEY: I'd ask now that the jurors be permitted to turn to Government Exhibit 246.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. You may look at 246.
MS. COMEY: I'd ask now that the jurors be permitted to turn to Government Exhibit 247, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX247, you may look at.
MS. COMEY: I'd ask now that the jurors be permitted to turn to Government Exhibit 248, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may look at GX248.
MS. COMEY: I'd ask now that the jurors be permitted to turn to Government Exhibit 249.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may look at GX249.
MS. COMEY: I ask now that the jurors be permitted to turn to GX250.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may look at GX250.
MS. COMEY: And I ask that those be set aside now, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: Binders down, please.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, I'd like to ask you to turn to now what's been marked for identification in your binder as Government Exhibit 252, 253, and 254. Please take a look at those and tell us if you recognize them.
JUDGE NATHAN: Should 2:30 come down? It's on the screen.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I'd like to keep that for reference for now. Thank you.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I recognize them.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: These are photographs in frames.
MS. COMEY: From where?
GREGORY PARKINSON: They were in the first floor on the west side of the building, either in the lake room or bordering on the garden room.
MS. COMEY: Do these photographs fairly and accurately depict a portion of the interior of the main house at 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20th, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
MS. COMEY: I would ask that they be --
JUDGE NATHAN: Sorry. You said no objection?
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX252, 253, and 254 are admitted. (Government's Exhibits 252, 253, 254 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I would ask that these be received under seal to protect the privacy of third parties.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: They are admitted under seal for the reasons indicated.
MS. COMEY: May we ask the jurors please to turn in their binders to Government Exhibit 252.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may. GX252.
MS. COMEY: I'd ask now that the jurors be permitted to turn to Government Exhibit 253, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may turn to GX253.
MS. COMEY: And I ask now that the jurors be permitted to turn to Government Exhibit 254, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may look at GX254.
MS. COMEY: And I'd ask that the jurors be permitted to set that aside, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: Put your binders down, please.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, would you please turn to what's in your binder and marked for identification as Government Exhibit 241.
JUDGE NATHAN: 241 is admitted under seal.
(Continued on next page)
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson --
GREGORY PARKINSON: I have it.
MS. COMEY: Would you please, Ms. Drescher, pull up just for the witness, the parties, and the Court what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibits 238, 239 and 240. I'm sorry, your Honor, have those exhibits been admitted?
MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes.
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes, we have those admitted.
MS. COMEY: Then, Ms. Drescher, would you please publish Government Exhibit 238.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is on the first floor and I believe the north side of the building.
MS. COMEY: Can we go now, please, to Government Exhibit 239.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is, I believe, on that north side of the building, as well, first floor.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now, please, to 240.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Ground floor, first floor, north side of the building. This is what was called a staff room, part of the bathroom.
MS. COMEY: May I have a moment, your Honor?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
(Pause)
JUDGE NATHAN: We can take a standing stretching break, if you like.
(Pause)
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. You may be seated. Ms. Comey.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. Ms. Drescher, can we please pull up what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibits 289 through 293. We're going to start with 289 just for the witness, the Court and the parties, please.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, take a look at these, please, and then I'll ask you if you recognize them.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do recognize --
MS. COMEY: Hold on one moment. I'm going to show you the rest. Having seen those exhibits, do you recognize them?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is on the second floor.
MS. COMEY: Of what building?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The main building, the residence. And this is various directions.
MS. COMEY: Do these exhibits fairly and accurately depict portions of the second floor of the main house at 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. The range again?
MS. COMEY: 289 through 293.
JUDGE NATHAN: 289 through 293 are admitted. (Government's Exhibits 289 through 293 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: May we publish, your Honor?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please just pull up Government Exhibit 289.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is on the second floor of the main residence. You are just now coming up the spiral staircase, and you are now facing south.
MS. COMEY: Would you please turn now, Ms. Drescher, to Government Exhibit 293.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the stairway, or stairwell, that is located adjacent to and partially behind the elevator on the second floor, looking down towards the first floor.
MS. COMEY: Thank you. We can take that down, Ms. Drescher. Ms. Drescher, can we please now pull up for the witness Government Exhibits 269, 271, 272, 273, 276, and 277.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, do you recognize those exhibits?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: These are pictures of generally the master bedroom area.
MS. COMEY: Do these exhibits fairly and accurately depict the master bedroom area of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers Exhibits 269, 271, 272, 273, 276, and 277 in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, they flipped by before I had a chance to see them. Do you mind if I take two seconds?
JUDGE NATHAN: No, go ahead. Of course.
(Pause)
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you. GX 269, 271, 272, 273, 276, and 277 are admitted. (Government's Exhibits 269, 271, 272, 273, 276, and 277 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, may we please publish?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, let's please pull up Government Exhibit 269.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is looking through the double doors. It is a small room, hallway, on the second floor. You are standing to the east, looking to the west.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now, please, to 271.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the master bedroom. This is the master bed. And you are standing to the south, looking to the north.
MS. COMEY: Let's go to 272, please.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the master bed. You're standing to the southeast, looking towards the northwest.
MS. COMEY: Let's go to 273, please.
MS. COMEY: What do we see here?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the second floor master bedroom, and if I'm not mistaken, you're looking to the -- I'm lost on my direction on that.
MS. COMEY: But is this in the master bedroom?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now to 276. What do we see here? A. This is the master bedroom, second floor, you're standing to the west.
MS. COMEY: Let's go now to 277. A. This is part of the master bedroom, and you're looking -- standing at the west, looking to the east.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, I'd like you to turn in your binder to what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 278. Would you please take a look at that and tell us if you recognize it.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What is it?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is the master shower room, located on the second floor. It is due east of where the master bed is.
MS. COMEY: Does this fairly and accurately depict a portion of the interior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this under seal to protect the privacy of third parties.
MS. STERNHEIM: Judge, may I approach, please?
JUDGE NATHAN: We'll break for mid-afternoon break for the jury. We'll resume in about 15 minutes, members of the jury. Thank you.
(Jury not present)
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Parkinson, you may step down for the break. Thank you.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Thank you, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may step down and out for the break. Thank you.
JUDGE NATHAN: Everyone may be seated.
(Witness temporarily excused)
JUDGE NATHAN: Does it need to be a sidebar?
MS. STERNHEIM: No, Judge.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Just a moment.
(Pause)
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MS. STERNHEIM: Your Honor, going forward --
JUDGE NATHAN: At the mic, please, Ms. Sternheim.
MS. STERNHEIM: I apologize. I've just conferred with Ms. Comey, and I certainly understand her position, but it just seems to me that it's getting a bit out of hand with regard to the sealing of these exhibits. Now, if the onus was on us, then we'll deal with it going forward, but we saw a 40-minute video, of which maybe 40 seconds --
JUDGE NATHAN: Well, I had a note to suggest there's no reason most of that can't be a public document. And what you need to do, since narrow tailoring is required, is to make a public version so you redacted it to exclude the reading of the warrant. I don't see why a public version can't be made that simply redacts the few instances in which individuals whose privacy must be protected is redacted.
MS. COMEY: That's fine, your Honor. We'll work on that.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MS. STERNHEIM: Thank you, Judge.
JUDGE NATHAN: Ms. Sternheim, I'm happy to hear if there's additional -- I had that note to raise here for purposes of the video. Do you have that for other exhibits?
MS. STERNHEIM: The individual exhibits are not as glaring to me as the video was, and viewing it in the context of the public not being aware of it, it sends an impression that this was like a domicile of debauchery, and there were a few pictures that maybe should not have been in the public domain, but 39 minutes of it should have been.
JUDGE NATHAN: I completely agree.
MS. COMEY: That's understood, your Honor. We approached it this way to avoid having to pause and then turn to the side and then go back, but completely understood. And we will prepare a redacted version that can be released to the public.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, on this point, I have a related request, and that is, I think, from the defense perspective, if Ms. Comey or the prosecutors simply want to say, we move for this under seal, without then the rest of the explanation over and over and over again, that's fine with us. I just think, again, to Ms. Sternheim's point, it highlights sort of why are we doing this. It's fine for the record, I think, and if then we need to make a further record down the road, I don't think we need to expand the reasons for all of this. So I think we're fine with under seal.
MS. COMEY: That's fine, your Honor. I'm just trying to set forth the basis, but whatever your Honor would like me to do, I'm happy to just offer it under seal.
JUDGE NATHAN: I need to know what the basis is, that it's being offered under seal for, and I need to find that that's appropriate. So sometimes that's obvious, but it's not always obvious, so I want to take your suggestion, Mr. Pagliuca, but I guess I'm concerned --
MR. PAGLIUCA: Believe me, we've been through the sealing issues up and down 35 times here --
JUDGE NATHAN: My job is to make sure that we're not oversealing anything.
MR. PAGLIUCA: I totally respect that, your Honor. And I think we could say, "under seal, witness," or "under seal, third-party," and I think that gets to the heart of the matter.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. I think that's fine. So, either to protect the anonymity of someone who I permitted to testify under a pseudonym, you'll say, "under seal, witness"; and if it is privacy interests of a third party — for example, the photograph of a prepubescent girl, you'll say, "seal, third-party privacy."
MS. COMEY: Yes, your Honor. The one thing I will note that just came to mind about the redacted version of the video is that the timestamps of the redacted version just won't line up with the transcripts here. I don't think there's really a way to fix that, but I just wanted to note that.
JUDGE NATHAN: Well, that's fine. The full video is admitted into evidence, so for purposes of the record, those timestamps will match up. To the extent the public wants to follow the timestamps on the redacted version, it will be slightly off. Is there a way to just show a blank screen or something?
MS. COMEY: I asked the same thing, your Honor. My understanding is that's not feasible with the technology that we have available at our office.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. I think that's fine. Given how little of that video that I think requires redactions for privacy interests, I don't think it will be much off but it will be a little off.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Anything else?
MR. EVERDELL: Nothing from the defense, your Honor.
MS. COMEY: Nothing from the government, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. We'll break briefly. Do we need to get to the 900 series question or is that going to be Monday?
MS. COMEY: I think we may, your Honor. I'm almost done with Mr. Parkinson, and then the next witness is very quick, so I do think we'll get to Agent Maguire.
JUDGE NATHAN: Let's take a comfort break. As soon as you're regathered after the break, I will come back and take that up. Thank you.
(Recess)
JUDGE NATHAN: Matters to take up?
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, just if we do end up getting to Agent Maguire, we've tried to quickly go through some of the photos to dedesignate any as unsealed if we need to, but we haven't completed the process just because we haven't had enough time to do it. So we may have to follow the proceed where they're offered under seal and then unseal them later. We have not had the chance to confer on that fully yet.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Ms. Moe?
MS. MOE: Yes, your Honor, I think we can confer on that later on that. We proposed some designations and we're happy to confer with the defense if we'd like to dedesignate it.
JUDGE NATHAN: You had raised this morning the question of if there were objections, Mr. Everdell --
MR. EVERDELL: Sorry, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: -- or was it Ms. Menninger? I can't remember who made the objections to some of the 900 series. Do I need to rule on that?
MR. EVERDELL: Once we get to Agent Maguire, that becomes an issue because she's going to introduce the 900 series, yes, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. What numbers are objected to?
MR. EVERDELL: Well, your Honor, it's the same issue we've been talking about. This is a search that took place in 2019 --
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes, I understand. For the record, what are the exhibits that are objected to?
MR. EVERDELL: It's all of them, your Honor, because I wanted to be able to have the witness say at least this looks similar to what it looked like at the time of conspiracy, and I don't think we have a witness who says that.
JUDGE NATHAN: Ms. Moe, what's the theory of relevance?
MS. MOE: Yes, your Honor. As the Court may recall, Jane testified about being present in the New York house, and she described it and --
JUDGE NATHAN: Present in the New York house? In what year?
JUDGE NATHAN: Pull up the mic.
MS. MOE: Apologies, your Honor. She described the interior of the house having nude artwork, decorations with particular animals, she described the massage room having a stereo and red on the walls, and a wooden storage device on the side. All of that is consistent with the photographs that have been marked as government exhibits showing the interior of the residence.
JUDGE NATHAN: The theory of relevance is that it looks the same in those photographs as it looked to Jane when she was present?
MS. MOE: Yes, your Honor, it corroborates her description and confirms she was at the residence, it corroborates her testimony about the way the house appeared, the way that made her feel when she was inside the house. There are particular details throughout the residence that she described that are corroborated by these photographs.
JUDGE NATHAN: But you didn't show her the photographs and ask if it looks the same or what looks the same and what looks different.
MS. MOE: Of course, your Honor. Part of the reason that these photographs are corroborating is that she hasn't been shown these photographs, she was able to describe the interior of the residence not having seen the photographs that had been taken. In other words, she gave a blind description of it that was corroborated by photographs of the interior.
JUDGE NATHAN: You could have, and you should have, shown them to her after she provided the testimony. The problem is, it's 15 years since the end of the conspiracy, it's 20-some years since her testimony. I've looked at case law on this. Older photographs of immovable objects and structure may be relevant, and to the extent you have a witness testifying saying it is similar to what I saw or specifically saying it's similar in this way or dissimilar in that way, it would be permitted. In the absence of that, we're talking about very movable items and a substantially long period of time. If there is a witness who could do that, that would be appropriate, but in the absence of that, I won't allow it in simply based on her description of what it looked like then. You have that description in, so I'll sustain the objection based on the current record.
MS. MOE: Your Honor, just so I understand the scope of the Court's ruling, is that to all photographs of the interior of the residence? I guess my confusion is, in particular, with respect to the massage room, she described several objects that are depicted in these photographs and --
JUDGE NATHAN: Right, but over 20 years later. So if you wanted to ask her if it's the same objects, you should have, or you could have, or you can, but in the absence of that, we're talking about highly mobile items. The law does not support inclusion in this context without a witness testifying as to the similarity of what -- you're trying to corroborate that these photos show what it looked like then. You have a witness who can do that, but in the absence of that, I'm sustaining the objection. I don't see any basis to distinguish between 15-, 20-year-old, or more, distinction between her description and the photographs.
MS. MOE: Yes, your Honor. Given that defense counsel raised this objection today, we'd just ask for an opportunity to brief this issue over the weekend. We could potentially shift the order of our witnesses in order to address that -- or maybe I should confer with my colleagues with that, but we would like an opportunity to brief that issue, your Honor. I understand the Court's concern.
JUDGE NATHAN: To brief it?
MS. MOE: Yes, your Honor, to examine the case law that your Honor is referring to, consider it, and develop our argument potentially further.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the thinking here is that the defense has had these exhibits for weeks, and we feel a bit sandbagged here because they could have raised this objection in their motions in limine and instead they did it after we had finished our direct of the witness who could have looked at these photographs.
MS. MOE: In our view, part of the corroborating impact is that we didn't show these photographs to the victim and --
JUDGE NATHAN: I understand that. And I suppose you still can if you want to. You're welcome to brief it; I have no issue with that. There is a factual disjointedness between what you're seeking to enter and based on that testimony.
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, if I could be heard on the issue of sandbagging: This was not sandbagging. If we had raised this at the motion in limine stage, the response would have quite rightly been, we're going to have to see what happens at trial, because it's their responsibility to lay a proper foundation for these. We assumed that there would be a witness who would do this, and that Jane was the potential witness. There may be others, I don't know, but Jane didn't testify about these photographs, and so that's when we raised it, when it looked like it was a live issue, and it was only ripe when that happened.
JUDGE NATHAN: I have to agree with that. You're seeking to move them now, and they're raising it now. I don't disagree with what Mr. Everdell said.
MS. MOE: Your Honor, we'd just like an opportunity to brief the issue. I think had we know it was defense counsel's position that in the absence of a victim identifying these photographs --
JUDGE NATHAN: It doesn't have to be a victim. It could be anyone identifying -- again, you're asking to corroborate what the witness testified she saw with photographs taken -- is it 30 years? Help me with the math.
MR. EVERDELL: So the search is 2019, and Jane, I think, claims she was there 1994 or 1995. So that is already almost 20 years --
JUDGE NATHAN: Twenty years.
MR. EVERDELL: Sorry, 25.
JUDGE NATHAN: Twenty-five years. -- of movable items, right, of various pieces of art, of photographs hung, of items in drawers, and the like.
MS. MOE: I understand the Court's concern, your Honor. We would appreciate an opportunity to brief this issue over the weekend, if possible.
JUDGE NATHAN: Of course, yes, I'm happy to hear it.
JUDGE NATHAN: Needless to say, if you have testimony that would establish the relevance of these photographs because they are what existed at the time that Jane testified to, or otherwise, I'd be happy to consider it.
MR. EVERDELL: Thank you.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. What else can I take up?
MS. COMEY: Nothing from the government, your Honor.
MR. EVERDELL: Nothing from the defense other than we have binders for the Court for the next few witnesses. Do you want me to deliver them up now?
JUDGE NATHAN: Sure. Ms. Comey, we've elevated the mic because you're tall, so do please speak into the mic, even when you're looking at an item, to make sure that --
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor, for the reminder. Your Honor, with respect to the issue we just discussed, about the 900 series, there is other evidence that Special Agent Maguire was going to offer that I don't believe is being objected to. Never mind, your Honor, I'm being told -- never mind.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. With respect to the items, either the physical items or the photographs of the school costumes, as I indicated — and I think the ruling I'm making now is fully consistent with that — it has to be tied through a witness as to similarity of items seen at the time. And that was what I ruled before about those, which is why you can lay the foundation through Maguire, and if it's temporally tied back, I imagine I would admit it, depending on that testimony; same theory here.
MR. EVERDELL: Yes, your Honor.
MS. COMEY: Understood, your Honor. Thank you.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. Are these for me or for the witness?
MR. EVERDELL: Those are for you, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Thank you.
MR. EVERDELL: It should be three, for the next three witnesses. Sorry I couldn't get one for your Honor's deputy.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. So we can bring the witness back and we can get the jury.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Good afternoon, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Good afternoon, Mr. Parkinson. You may take your seat. Thank you.
(Jury present)
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you, members of the jury. Ms. Comey, you may continue with your direct examination of Mr. Parkinson. Mr. Parkinson, I remind you, you are under oath. Go ahead, Ms. Comey.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, good afternoon.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Good afternoon.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up for the witness, the parties, and the Court what's been marked for identification as Government 278.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, I think we were talking about this right before the break. Do you recognize this?
MS. COMEY: What is it?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It's the shower room.
MS. COMEY: And is this a fair and accurate depiction of a portion of the interior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX 278 is admitted.
(Government's Exhibit 278 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: May we publish, your Honor?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please publish this.
MS. COMEY: And, Mr. Parkinson, what do we see in the bottom left-hand corner of this photograph?
GREGORY PARKINSON: There's a white hassock with an off-white color telephone on it, and then there is a pink three-cushioned -- at least three back cushions of what looks like a couch.
MS. COMEY: Thank you. I'd like to leave that up while we discuss the next few exhibits. Would you please turn in your binder, Mr. Parkinson, to what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibits 281, 282, 286, and 287.
(Pause)
MS. COMEY: Do you recognize these?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It's a series of photos that were taken on the second floor and most of which --
JUDGE NATHAN: Into the microphone, please, Mr. Parkinson. A. They were photographs taken on the second floor, and they were in the master -- one of the master baths.
MS. COMEY: Do these fairly and accurately depict a portion of the interior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these under seal, third-party.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: GX 281, 282, 286, and 287 are admitted under seal for the reason indicated. (Government's Exhibits 281, 282, 286, and 287 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, may we at this point ask the jurors to open up their binders to Government Exhibit 281, please?
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes. You may take out your binders, please. GX 281.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what is the green object --
JUDGE NATHAN: Ms. Comey, into the microphone, please.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what is the green object that we see in the center of this photograph?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That is a portable collapsable massage table.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, may we now ask the jurors to turn to Exhibit 282 in their binders?
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes. Please turn to 282.
MS. COMEY: May we now ask the jurors to turn to Government Exhibit 286 in their binders?
JUDGE NATHAN: Please turn to GX 286.
MS. COMEY: And may we now ask the jurors to turn to Government Exhibit 287 in their binders?
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes. Please turn to GX 287.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. I'm ready to move on to another exhibit if the jurors want to put their binders aside.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Please put your binders down.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up, for the witness, the parties and the Court, what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibits 283 and 284.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, are you able to see those side by side, or do you need them one at a time?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I can see them.
MS. COMEY: Do you recognize them?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What are these?
GREGORY PARKINSON: These are two photographs of the same room but from different angles.
MS. COMEY: Which room?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This would be the second floor, north side of the residence. It's adjoining the master bedroom, and this one has the tub in it.
MS. COMEY: Is this a fair and accurate depiction of a portion of the interior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
JUDGE NATHAN: Ms. Comey, you've got to speak up.
MS. COMEY: Is this a fair and accurate depiction of the interior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you. 283 and 284 are admitted. (Government's Exhibits 283 and 284 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: May we publish?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
MR. EVERDELL: Ms. Drescher, I'd like to do these one at a time, please. 283 first. And now on to 284, please.
MS. COMEY: While that stays up there, Mr. Parkinson, would you please turn in your binder to what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 285.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I have it.
MS. COMEY: Do you recognize this?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What is it?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is a desktop.
MS. COMEY: From where?
GREGORY PARKINSON: This is in the same bathroom but a little bit of an anteroom.
MS. COMEY: Is this a fair and accurate depiction of a portion of the interior of 358 El Brillo Way as it appeared on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this exhibit under seal to protect the interests of a party.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: 285 is admitted for the reason indicated.
(Government's Exhibit 285 received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: May we ask the jurors to turn in their binder to Government Exhibit 285, please?
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, would you please read the writing in the lower center of this picture?
JUDGE NATHAN: Sorry. It's admitted under seal.
MS. COMEY: Ah, then I apologize, your Honor. May I direct the jurors' attention to that writing?
JUDGE NATHAN: Sure.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. I am done with the binders for this witness.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, what, if any, evidence do you remember personally physically carrying during the search of 358 El Brillo Way on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I carried the green massage table.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, at this time I would ask for permission to bring into the courtroom for Mr. Parkinson what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 51, which is a physical exhibit.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I would ask for permission for Detective Byrne to bring the exhibit forward.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MS. COMEY: Thank you. Ms. Drescher, we can take down Government Exhibit 284. Thank you. Your Honor, I would ask for permission for the witness to step down from the witness box to examine the exhibit that's been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 51.
JUDGE NATHAN: He may. Mask, please, Mr. Parkinson. Thank you.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, would you please take a look at this exhibit and tell us if you recognize it.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: Could you please return to the witness box.
JUDGE NATHAN: You can remove your mask, Mr. Parkinson. Thank you.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Thank you, your Honor.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, do you recognize what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 51?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What is it?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is a massage table.
MS. COMEY: From where?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It's from the second floor south bathroom, where the shower was.
MS. COMEY: How do you recognize it?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It has the evidence brown-stringed label that was attached to it with a property number and a barcode number.
MS. COMEY: Is this the green massage table that you remember seizing from 358 El Brillo Way on October 20, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this exhibit in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: I couldn't hear if that was "objection" or "no objection."
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor. I'm sorry.
JUDGE NATHAN: Exhibit 51 is admitted.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I would ask for permission to have Detective Byrne come forward and publish the exhibit for the jury by setting it up.
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Everdell?
MR. EVERDELL: Without objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
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MS. COMEY: While Detective Byrne is doing that, Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up what's been marked for identification as Government Exhibits 51A, B, and C, and show them to the witness, the parties, and the Court.
BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, do you recognize those three exhibits?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MS. COMEY: What are they?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The table itself in an open position, the manufacturer's label, and a second manufacturer's label.
MS. COMEY: Do these fairly and accurately depict portions of Government Exhibit 51?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: No objection.
JUDGE NATHAN: 51A, B, and C are admitted. (Government's Exhibits 51A, 51B, 51C received in evidence)
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. May we publish?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you publish 51A, and then 51B, and then 51C.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, according to the manufacturer's labels, where was this table manufactured?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Vista, California.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I'd ask for permission for Detective Byrne to take the exhibit back down and put it aside.
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes. Thank you.
MS. COMEY: Mr. Parkinson, other than your participation in the search of 358 El Brillo Way on October 20th, 2005, did you have any other involvement in the investigation of this case?
GREGORY PARKINSON: The final recording of the walk-through showing no damage.
MS. COMEY: Other than that, any other involvement in this case?
MS. COMEY: No further questions, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you. Mr. Everdell, you may cross examine Mr. Parkinson.
MR. EVERDELL: Thank you, your Honor. If I could deliver a binder to the witness, may I approach?
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes.
MR. EVERDELL: May I inquire, your Honor?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. EVERDELL:
MR. EVERDELL: Good afternoon, Mr. Parkinson.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Good afternoon, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: Mr. Parkinson, you testified on direct examination about a search warrant that you helped execute at Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach residence on October 20th, 2005; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: I want to ask you about that search in a minute, but the search warrant that you executed in October 2005 was not the first time that you had been to Mr. Epstein's Palm Beach residence; isn't that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: You had been there one time before?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: The first time you went to Mr. Epstein's house was on October 5th of 2003; isn't that correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that was almost exactly two years before the search; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: I believe you said it was two years and 15 days to be precise?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And the reason you went to Mr. Epstein's house on October 5th, 2003 was to investigate a burglary; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And October 5th, 2003 was a Sunday; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: That Sunday morning, you were alerted that a burglary had been reported at 358 El Brillo Way in Palm Beach; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that is the address of Mr. Epstein's Palm Beach residence?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And you went to the house to respond to the report; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: I believe you got there just past 9:30 a.m.? Is there something that would help refresh your recollection?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I just did. Thank you, sir. And the answer is "true."
MR. EVERDELL: You mentioned there was something you saw. If you're looking at the binder, sir, I think you should put it down unless I'm directing you to look at it. So I apologize for not making that clear.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Done.
MR. EVERDELL: Since you've had your recollection refreshed. Why don't we just be clear about this, if you could please look at 3522-001 at the first page, it's under the binder, the first tab.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I'm sorry. What was that number?
MR. EVERDELL: It's the first tab, and I'm talking about the document that is labeled 3522-001, and it's the first page.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, I'm with you.
MR. EVERDELL: If you take a look at that, sir, would that refresh your recollection about what time you showed up in the morning at Mr. Epstein's residence on October 5th, 2003?
MR. EVERDELL: Was it around or just past 9:30 a.m.?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Correct.
MR. EVERDELL: Thank you, sir. You can put the binder down. Now, when you went to his residence on that Sunday morning, you met with Mr. Epstein; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And he showed you where he thought the burglar got into the house; isn't that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And it was through the sliding glass window near the room where his desk was; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that was on the first floor of his house; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And your recollection is that Mr. Epstein claimed that several thousand dollars in cash had been stolen from a bag near his desk; isn't that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: If I could pull up on the screen what's already in evidence as Government Exhibit 230 and 234, and if I could put them side by side, please.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Hang on.
MR. EVERDELL: I don't think they're under seal, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: 234 is under seal.
MR. EVERDELL: I apologize. Let's just look at 230, then.
MR. EVERDELL: Do you see that, Mr. Parkinson?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: What we're looking at there, I think you identified as Mr. Epstein's desk, isn't it?
MR. EVERDELL: And that was Epstein's main office in the house, right, that area right there?
MS. COMEY: Objection. Foundation.
JUDGE NATHAN: Just a moment. Sustained.
MR. EVERDELL: Well, you met with Mr. Epstein; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I'm sorry?
MR. EVERDELL: You met with Mr. Epstein that day; correct?
MR. EVERDELL: And he described for you what he thought might have happened that day with respect to the burglary?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And he showed you this area of the house, didn't he?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: Because he believed that this is where he thought the cash had been taken from; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Correct.
MR. EVERDELL: It was, according to him, it was taken from a bag near this desk; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And when you were speaking to him, you were mainly in this area of the house; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: Now, we looked, I believe, at the floor plan of this house on your direct testimony and you identified this room that we're looking at here with the desk in it as the lake room; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: Now, when you got here on October 5th, 2003, you spoke to Mr. Epstein; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: You examined the scene; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I did.
MR. EVERDELL: You looked for fingerprints?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I did.
MR. EVERDELL: You collected whatever evidence you found; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I did.
MR. EVERDELL: And that was pretty much the sum total of what you did that day; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I believe it is, yes.
MR. EVERDELL: I think you said you went into a few other rooms in the house?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That's true.
MR. EVERDELL: You went into the garden room; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I did.
MR. EVERDELL: And you went into the kitchen?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I did, yes.
MR. EVERDELL: But generally, you stayed in the office or this room here, the lake room to speak to Mr. Epstein; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That is correct.
MR. EVERDELL: And about how long were you there, Mr. Parkinson?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It was under four hours.
MR. EVERDELL: And in the roughly four hours or under four hours that you were there, do you recall seeing anyone else in the residence on that Sunday morning?
GREGORY PARKINSON: There were people there. I think one was a chef or a cook.
MR. EVERDELL: Do you know who Ghislaine Maxwell is?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do not.
MR. EVERDELL: So you don't recall seeing anybody by that name at the residence on October 5th, 2003?
GREGORY PARKINSON: No, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: Now, did you later learn who the burglar was in this case?
GREGORY PARKINSON: We did.
MR. EVERDELL: And who was it?
MS. COMEY: Objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Grounds.
MS. COMEY: Relevance and hearsay.
JUDGE NATHAN: Sustained on hearsay.
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, I think we've already had testimony about this, so I'm just connecting --
JUDGE NATHAN: True, but that doesn't (indiscernible overlapping speech) under the rules of evidence.
MR. EVERDELL: Fair enough.
BY MR. EVERDELL:
MR. EVERDELL: But you did learn who it was eventually; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: One more question before we get to the search that we talked about on your direct. Before you met Mr. Epstein in connection with the burglary investigation in October of 2003, I believe you had seen him jogging around Palm Beach before then; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: No, I think that was after, because I didn't know who he was. I had only been on the force eight months, so I really had no knowledge of him. Never heard the name until the burglary. It's true, I saw him jogging, we'd wave to each other, but really prior to the burglary, I had no idea who it was.
MR. EVERDELL: Understood. Let's go ahead and talk about the search; all right?
MR. EVERDELL: So now I am fast forwarding two years and 15 days to October 20th, 2005; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Correct.
MR. EVERDELL: And that's the day that you helped execute a search warrant at Jeffrey Epstein's residence; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that search warrant was part of an investigation that the Palm Beach Police Department was conducting at that time; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: You were not the lead detective on that investigation; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: No, I was not.
MR. EVERDELL: That was, I believe you mentioned detective Joseph Recarey; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And he's since passed on?
GREGORY PARKINSON: He has passed on.
MR. EVERDELL: So you were helping out that day on the search; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Correct.
MR. EVERDELL: Your job was to organize the team, the evidence team that would collect the evidence from the search, assuming you found any; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Correct.
MR. EVERDELL: And there was going to be one person who was going to collect the evidence, right, put it in bags and catalog it?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: That was someone named Annette Badger?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And there was also someone who was going to take photographs of the house and the evidence that was collected; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that person was named Kim Paveolic (ph.); right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And there was yourself?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And your role was to videotape the reading of the warrant, the beginning of the search; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And also videotape the security sweep of the house when you first entered?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And then to videotape the walk-through of the residence after the security sweep had been performed?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And then do an exit video after the fact; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And you generally supervised the team; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: They -- we were operating independently.
MR. EVERDELL: So the search warrant that you executed we said was October 20th, 2005; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: That is the day that you shot the video that we looked at in your direct examination?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that is also the day that those photographs that we looked at, that's the day that those were taken, too?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: So that video and those photographs that we looked at show what the house looked like on October 20th of 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: So it's like looking at a snapshot of what his residence in Palm Beach looked like on that particular date; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: That video and those photos do not show, for example, what the house looked like in 1994; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I have no way of knowing that.
MR. EVERDELL: Right. That was many, many years before?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yeah, I was still working at West Palm.
MR. EVERDELL: That was over a decade before you made that video?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that was over a decade before the pictures that you saw were taken?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Say again, please.
MR. EVERDELL: And that was over a decade before the pictures that we saw were taken?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And similarly, the videos and the photos do not show what the house looked like in 1995, '96, or '97; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I have no way of knowing that.
MR. EVERDELL: I understand. Exactly right. It seems like an obvious question. I'm just simply saying that the video shows a certain date, October 20th, 2005. It wouldn't show what the house looked like 10, 15 years, 20 years beforehand; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I'd only have to guess on that. That was the only time I was in the house up to that date in 2003 or 2005. The second time I was in it. Other than that, it's hard to compare because you're only in three rooms, one of which is a kitchen. On the first working the case, that was in 2003 as opposed to 2005, which was totally new to me, except for the kitchen, the office, and the garden room.
MR. EVERDELL: Correct. I think we understand each other perfect. Now, we saw in the video and in the photographs that there were a number of framed photos around the house; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: But the video and the photographs of those photos don't show how long any of those particular photos were in those locations in the house; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I don't know how we'd determine that.
MR. EVERDELL: Well, I think you'd agree with me that the video shows that they were there on October 20th, 2005; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I will agree with that.
MR. EVERDELL: But there is no way for the videos or the photographs we saw to show that they were there any day prior to October 20th, 2005; isn't that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I just don't know how to answer that.
MR. EVERDELL: Okay.
GREGORY PARKINSON: That's one of the best questions I've had in 55 years. If I do find out, I'll let you know.
MR. EVERDELL: Then I'll ask a few more hopefully smart questions. The same thing with the artwork that we saw in the videos and the photographs. The videos and the photographs show what artwork was in that house on October 20th of 2005; yes?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: But it would have no way of showing what artwork was there on any day prior to October 20th, 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I don't see how that would be possible.
MR. EVERDELL: I'll just ask also about the items in the house apart from the artwork and the photographs, same question. There is no way that the video or the photographs could show what items were in the house prior to that day?
GREGORY PARKINSON: No, sir, I don't believe science has gotten that far.
MR. EVERDELL: So bottom line is, we have no idea from what we looked at in your testimony what the house looked like prior to October 20th of 2005?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I certainly don't.
MR. EVERDELL: I'll move on. Mr. Parkinson, we saw from the videos and the pictures, you recall you testified it looked like the house was undergoing renovations at the time you executed search; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: I believe we saw in the video and the photos that there were fabric or carpet samples all over the floor and what you determined the lake room; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: In addition to the floor plans and diagrams.
MR. EVERDELL: Right. Yes. So, in addition to the carpet samples, which we saw pictures of, we also saw you said architectural drawings on one of the tables; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I'd say that's a reasonable conclusion.
MR. EVERDELL: So it appeared to you at the time of the search that the house was in the process of being renovated?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: Mr. Parkinson, I want to ask you just a few questions about the floor plan we saw. If we could call up what's already in evidence as Government Exhibit 298.
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
MR. EVERDELL: Is that visible to the jurors, as well? Great.
MR. EVERDELL: Mr. Parkinson, can you see Government Exhibit 298 in front of you?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I can, sir, yes.
MR. EVERDELL: So that's the floor plan of the first floor of Mr. Epstein's Palm Beach residence; isn't that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: Do you see over on the left-hand side of the floor plan, there is a room labeled "kitchen"?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: If you would draw a line straight down to the bottom of the floor plan from the kitchen, you hit a room that is labeled "staff," is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: I believe, if we can call up now maybe next to this what's in evidence as Government Exhibit 238. I don't believe that's under seal.
MS. COMEY: It's not under seal, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. You can publish 238.
MR. EVERDELL: Thank you, your Honor.
MR. EVERDELL: Mr. Parkinson, do you see 238 next to the floor plan, 298?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: So is that what's depicted in Government Exhibit 238, is that the staff room that is labeled in the floor plan as "staff"?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is.
MR. EVERDELL: So it appears to be a little office; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: If we can take down 238 but keep up 298.
MR. EVERDELL: So if you look at where it says "staff," that room we just looked at, if you go to the right, all the way to the right, the room on the far right-hand side is called the lake room; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I'm sorry. I'm still back in the staff room.
MR. EVERDELL: If we can take down the call-out, please, to see the full floor plan.
MR. EVERDELL: Are we looking at the full floor plan, Mr. Parkinson?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: You see the room that's labeled "staff"?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MR. EVERDELL: That's on the left side of the floor plan towards the bottom; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That would pretty much be the northeast corner.
MR. EVERDELL: Northeast corner?
MR. EVERDELL: And if you go to the right-hand side of the floor plan, the northwest corner, that's the lake room; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that is the room where we saw Mr. Epstein's desk in the photos that we just talked about; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Well, there were multiple desks. Do you mean the one that the money was taken from?
MR. EVERDELL: The one that the money was taken from, yes.
GREGORY PARKINSON: No, sir, that was in the lake room.
MR. EVERDELL: Yes. I'm sorry. I'm looking at the lake room on the far right.
GREGORY PARKINSON: All right.
MR. EVERDELL: You see the lake room is on the far right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, it is.
MR. EVERDELL: And that's the room that had the desk where the money was taken; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: What I just want to point out is that the lake room is on the opposite end of the house on the first floor from the staff room; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That is true.
MR. EVERDELL: If we could pull in what's in evidence as Government Exhibit 297, which is the second floor of the house.
MR. EVERDELL: Do you see that, Mr. Parkinson?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: We're looking there at the diagram of the second floor of the house; yes?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That is correct, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: Now, you see in sort of the middle of the diagram, there is a semicircular -- it looks like a semicircular staircase; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that goes up to the second floor landing; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It does, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: And if you go to the right, when you get to the top of the landing, that is the hallway that heads to the master bedroom suite; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And we saw some of the photos of those rooms in your testimony; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: But if you go to the left, there is another hallway that leads to a series of what are labeled guest rooms?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: It looks like one is called the red room, guest room 5 is called the red room; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: That, I don't know.
MR. EVERDELL: If we can call up just the left-hand portion of that exhibit with the guest rooms to the landing on the second floor.
JUDGE NATHAN: You're getting a little quiet there.
MR. EVERDELL: I'm sorry. If we can call up just the left-hand portion of the diagram where the guest rooms are.
MR. EVERDELL: Is that easier to see?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is, sir. Thank you so much.
MR. EVERDELL: You're welcome. You see that one is labeled guest room 3, I should say, and that's the red room; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And there is one just next to it called guest room 1, and that's labeled the blue room?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And there is one below that that's labeled guest room 2, and that's labeled the back room?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: We saw all that in the video walk-through; right? We saw those rooms, I believe?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I believe so.
MR. EVERDELL: Those rooms are all on the other side of the second floor than the master bedroom suite; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: They are on the east side, the master is on the west side.
MR. EVERDELL: And you can't tell from this floor plan who stayed in those rooms; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Correct.
MR. EVERDELL: And you can't tell that from your video or the photographs either?
MR. EVERDELL: I want to talk to you about just a few other features of the house; all right?
MR. EVERDELL: Let's look at 298 again, what's in evidence as Government Exhibit 298. We're back on the first floor there; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: We are.
MR. EVERDELL: Do you see right at the bottom center where it says "foyer"?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I had a little help from my friend, but yes. Yes, that's much better.
MR. EVERDELL: I've got my reading glasses on, too. So probably best we just blow it up. You see where it says "foyer"?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MR. EVERDELL: That's the entranceway to the house?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is.
MR. EVERDELL: You see there is sort of a half of a semicircle right below the word foyer to the left; right? The staircase, the semicircle staircase?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: So that's where the staircase begins on the first floor; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And that is the main staircase to the house; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It is.
MR. EVERDELL: And that leads up to the second floor?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: If I could now call up -- we can take down the diagram and call up Government Exhibits 235 and 292 side by side. They are I don't believe sealed.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MR. EVERDELL: Mr. Parkinson, do you see those photographs in front of you, Government Exhibit 235 and 292?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MR. EVERDELL: Those depict the windy staircase that we just looked at on the diagram; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And do you see, especially in 292, that shows the left-hand side wall that goes up the windy staircase; right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: It does.
MR. EVERDELL: You don't see any photographs or pictures on that wall, do you?
GREGORY PARKINSON: No, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: There are no pictures on the wall to the side of the windy staircase?
MR. EVERDELL: Now, I'd like to take a look again at what's in evidence as Government Exhibit 234.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Sealed.
JUDGE NATHAN: That's sealed.
MR. EVERDELL: That's sealed, okay. So if I could direct the witness's attention to Government Exhibit 234, if we can place it on the screen for the witness, the Court, and the Court's deputy. I don't think I have a copy for the witness. Can I borrow your binder. May I approach, your Honor? I'm getting confused choreography, your Honor. I believe the exhibit is on Mr. Parkinson's screen, so he can look at it there and the government has their own copy. Apologies.
BY MR. EVERDELL:
MR. EVERDELL: Mr. Parkinson, if you could look at what's already in evidence under seal as Government Exhibit 234.
MR. EVERDELL: That is the area around Mr. Epstein's desk; isn't that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And you see there are a number of photos on his desk?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And there are a number of photos that are on the bookcase shelves behind the desk?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: Now, I also want to show just for the witness, the Court, and the Court's deputy what is already in evidence but under seal as Government Exhibit 245.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Would you like the jurors --
MR. EVERDELL: I would like the jurors to look, too, yes, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: You can take out your binders and look at Government Exhibit 245.
MR. EVERDELL: We'll just wait a minute for the jurors to open their binders. I think the jurors have the binders open. Members of the jury, just please don't display anything you're looking at to the gallery.
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MR. EVERDELL: Now, Mr. Parkinson, do you see the person that's depicted in that picture?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I do.
MR. EVERDELL: I don't want you to say any names, please, but if you could just answer the question, do you see the person there?
MR. EVERDELL: You didn't find any other pictures of this woman in Epstein's house when you did your search; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I didn't do a comparison of the photos.
MR. EVERDELL: To the best of your recollection, you didn't find another picture of this woman?
GREGORY PARKINSON: I have no idea.
MR. EVERDELL: Well, we didn't see any other pictures of this woman when we did your direct testimony; correct?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: The government didn't show you any other pictures of this woman from the search for you to identify for the jury as something that was found during the search?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: And we didn't see any other photographs of this woman in the video that you shot that was shown for the jury?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Not that I recall.
MR. EVERDELL: And specifically, we didn't see here today on the video or in the photos any pictures of this woman in a bathing suit on Jeffrey Epstein's desk, did we?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Not to my knowledge.
MR. EVERDELL: In fact, based on what we saw today, you never found a photo of this woman in a bathing suit anywhere in the house; isn't that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Not to my knowledge.
MR. EVERDELL: One moment.
JUDGE NATHAN: You can put your binders down. Thank you.
MR. EVERDELL: I have just one final few questions for you, Mr. Parkinson.
GREGORY PARKINSON: Yes, sir.
MR. EVERDELL: The search that you did on October 20th, 2005 in Mr. Epstein's residence lasted from approximately 9:30 to approximately 3 o'clock in the afternoon; is that right?
GREGORY PARKINSON: Pretty much. I think it was six hours.
MR. EVERDELL: So you were basically there all day; is that right?
MR. EVERDELL: You didn't see any other women in the house at that time all day, did you?
GREGORY PARKINSON: In all fairness, I did, but they were police personnel. So yes.
MR. EVERDELL: It's an appropriate clarification. Other than the police personnel who were helping you with the search, you didn't see any women in the house that day?
GREGORY PARKINSON: True.
MR. EVERDELL: Nothing further, your Honor.
MS. COMEY: No redirect, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Parkinson, you're excused. You may step down.
GREGORY PARKINSON: I have a flight, may I take it?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may take your flight.
(Witness excused) Ms. Comey, the government may call its next witness.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. The government calls Michael Dawson.
JUDGE NATHAN: Michael Dawson may come forward. MICHAEL DAWSON, called as a witness by the Government, having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
JUDGE NATHAN: Please be seated. If you would move up to the microphone, please state and spell your name.
GREGORY PARKINSON: My name is Michael Dawson, M-i-c-h-a-e-l D-a-w-s-o-n.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you. You may inquire, Ms. Comey.
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.