Jason Richards — Direct/Cross/Redirect
153 linesDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. PAGLIUCA:
MR. PAGLIUCA: Special Agent Richards, what do you do?
JASON RICHARDS: I'm an FBI agent. I investigate violations of laws of the United States.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And how long have you been an agent with the FBI?
JASON RICHARDS: Eighteen years.
MR. PAGLIUCA: So that would take us back to 2003, is that correct, when you started?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Can you tell us a little bit about your training to become an FBI agent.
JASON RICHARDS: Attended the FBI academy for basic new agents training. And then there's obviously ongoing training as your career develops.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And would that be in 2003 that you went -- is that in Quantico, Virginia?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
JUDGE NATHAN: Could you pull the mic up a little bit? Perfect. Thank you.
JASON RICHARDS: You're welcome.
MR. PAGLIUCA: As part of your basic training, do you learn how to do investigations in terms of talking to witnesses and recording information from those witnesses?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Were you first -- well, where are you stationed currently with the FBI?
JASON RICHARDS: I'm currently with the Miami division at the Fort Pierce resident agency.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And how long have you been there?
JASON RICHARDS: Since 2014.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And where were you before 2014?
JASON RICHARDS: Prior to that I was at the Miami division's Palm Beach resident agency. I was there in 2006 to 2014.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Okay. And prior to 2006, where were you stationed?
JASON RICHARDS: I was stationed at the Covington resident agency at the Louisville division in Kentucky.
MR. PAGLIUCA: I want to direct your attention to 2006, when you were in the Palm Beach area. Okay?
JASON RICHARDS: Okay.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Were you assigned to a particular unit in 2006?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes. At that time I was assigned to squad PB2.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And what is squad PV2?
JASON RICHARDS: It's PB2.
MR. PAGLIUCA: PB2.
JASON RICHARDS: Yes. It's the violent crimes squad and safe streets task force.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And were you involved at that point in an investigation regarding Jeffrey Epstein?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And did part of your job during that investigation involve talking to witnesses in that case?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: You indicated that as part of your training as an FBI agent, you are trained to do interview techniques with witnesses, right?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Does that training and experience involve how to listen to people talk?
JASON RICHARDS: What we try to do is listen to get the details as accurate as possible.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Okay. And when you're listening and trying to get the details as accurate as possible, are you trying to gather information via open-ended questions to elicit responses from witnesses?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: As part of your training and experience, do you try to limit anybody from telling you anything?
MR. PAGLIUCA: And as part of your investigation and training, are you looking to get as much relevant information as possible from anyone you're interviewing about a particular topic or subject?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Now, I want to direct your attention to 2007, which would be about a year after you began working in Palm Beach; correct?
JASON RICHARDS: Correct.
MR. PAGLIUCA: You were working with an agent Nesbitt Kuyrkendall. Do you recall Agent Kuyrkendall?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And you and Agent Nesbitt Kuyrkendall were interviewing witnesses together in tandem; is that right?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And is that part of standard practice for the FBI in interviewing witnesses?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And is that so you have a witness to the witness interview?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Was part of your practice and procedure in interviewing witnesses in 2007 based on your training with the FBI to take notes during witness interviews?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And then would you and Special Agent Kuyrkendall review those notes and turn them into what's referred to often as a 302?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And explain to the jury what a 302 is.
JASON RICHARDS: 302, that's FD-302. That's the standard FBI investigative report form.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And is part of the training and practice of the FBI to review the 302 for accuracy prior to it being finalized?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And do you and Special Agent Kuyrkendall in this case initial the 302 to show that you've reviewed it and that it's accurate?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: I'd like to display for the witness what's been marked as JR-1, which is 3505-005 in the 3500 material.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Thank you, your Honor.
MS. COMEY: No objection, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you.
MR. PAGLIUCA: So that should be for the witness, the Court, and the courtroom deputy only please.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Do you have that on your screen yet?
JASON RICHARDS: I see it, yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: If we look at the lower left corner of this, do you see your name, Special Agent Kuyrkendall's name, and the initials?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And those are your initials?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And that means that you at the time reviewed this and determined that it was accurate at the time; is that right?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Have you had a chance to review this before your testimony here today?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: I understand that this was a long time ago. And I'm assuming, but you tell me if I'm incorrect, that you don't have any current memory of doing this interview?
JASON RICHARDS: It was 14 years ago.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Right. And you've done a lot of interviews between 14 years ago and now, I assume?
JASON RICHARDS: Probably thousands.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Now, is part of the reason why you are trained to take notes and to record events accurately, so that months or years later you will have a document such as this that you can testify from and be confident that what you put in the document is accurate?
JASON RICHARDS: That's for reference, yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Okay. What I'd like to do is direct you to some specific statements in this JR-1 that we've marked for identification purposes. First of all, do you recall that on August 7th, 2007, you spoke with Carolyn? And we're identifying this person only by the name of "Carolyn."
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And again, when you spoke with Carolyn, you were gathering information relative to your investigation at that time; correct?
JASON RICHARDS: That's correct.
MR. PAGLIUCA: When you spoke with Carolyn, consistent with your training and experience, you were attempting to get as much information as possible; is that correct?
JASON RICHARDS: Yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And you were not limiting any of the responses given to you by Carolyn during that interview; correct?
JASON RICHARDS: Correct.
MR. PAGLIUCA: In particular, I would like you to look at page 2, paragraph -- full paragraph 3 of Exhibit JR-1.
MS. COMEY: May I have a moment to confer, your Honor?
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
(Counsel conferred)
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Thank you.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Middle of the page that begins with "Carolyn." Are you there?
JASON RICHARDS: I have something pulled up here. I don't know if that's the right paragraph that's pulled up or not.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Okay.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Let me just confer, your Honor, to make sure.
JUDGE NATHAN: Sure.
(Counsel conferred)
JUDGE NATHAN: And again, I just caution you not to use the last name.
BY MR. PAGLIUCA:
MR. PAGLIUCA: Do you recall at that time Carolyn told you that Carolyn obtained Epstein's phone number from a telephone book?
JASON RICHARDS: That's what's in the 302, yes.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Okay. And do you recall at that time also that Carolyn told you that Epstein returned Carolyn's call?
JASON RICHARDS: That's what's here in the report.
MR. PAGLIUCA: I have no other questions, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay.
MS. COMEY: Briefly, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Yes.
MS. COMEY: May I inquire?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS. COMEY:
MS. COMEY: Good morning, Special Agent Richards.
JASON RICHARDS: Good morning.
MS. COMEY: Is a 302 report of an interview a verbatim report of a witness's statement?
MS. COMEY: Is it a transcript of a witness's statement?
JASON RICHARDS: No, it isn't.
MS. COMEY: What is it?
JASON RICHARDS: It's a summary of the results of our interview.
MS. COMEY: Do you ever show witnesses your 302 reports and ask them to confirm that they are accurate?
MS. COMEY: Did you show Carolyn this 302 report and ask her to confirm it was accurate?
MS. COMEY: No further questions.
JUDGE NATHAN: Mr. Pagliuca?
MR. PAGLIUCA: Thank you, your Honor.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. PAGLIUCA:
MR. PAGLIUCA: Special Agent Richards, you're writing down accurately what's being told to you during these interviews; correct?
JASON RICHARDS: As best as I can.
MR. PAGLIUCA: And you're writing it down accurately because you may be called to a witness stand to testify under oath about what people told you; correct?
JASON RICHARDS: Correct.
MR. PAGLIUCA: Thank you.
MR. PAGLIUCA: No further questions, your Honor.
JUDGE NATHAN: Okay. Thank you, Special Agent Richards. You may step down. You are excused.
JASON RICHARDS: Thank you, Judge.
(Witness excused)
JUDGE NATHAN: And the defense may call its next witness.
MS. COMEY: May we confer briefly, your Honor?
JUDGE NATHAN: You may.
(Counsel conferred)
MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, at this time we would call Agent Amanda Young.
JUDGE NATHAN: Amanda Young may come forward. AMANDA YOUNG, called as a witness by the Defendant, having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
JUDGE NATHAN: All right. Thank you. Ms. Menninger, when you're ready, you may inquire.
MS. MENNINGER: Thank you, your Honor.